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Post by McSnuggles on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:27 pm

Did anyone see it? Holy shit big decision. Here's the NY Times article with a quote from it that is the most important part of the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html

NY Times wrote:Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that the government may not ban political spending by corporations in candidate elections.

Like... WHAT?!?!?!? What will this do to elections...

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Re: Supreme Court Decision

Post by The Prez on Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:27 pm

I side with the dissent, although Kennedy, who wrote the majority, made a fair argument, I just wish Thomas who wrote a cocur/dissent had written a full dissent, although then there would have been enough votes for a majority
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Post by dohnage18 on Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:33 pm

I didn't hear about this nor read the article but my quick take is that they cannot ban it, but they can limit it. Is that the case?

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Post by The Prez on Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:53 pm

That was more the jist of the Thomas concur/dissent, but not that of the majority
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Post by McSnuggles on Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:36 pm

dohnage18 wrote:I didn't hear about this nor read the article but my quick take is that they cannot ban it, but they can limit it. Is that the case?

The actual thing is that now corporations and labor unions have unlimited spending for a campaign, but cannot give directly to the campaign. So there's still the limit for giving through PACs but now the corporations can pay for advertisements and such with as much money as they want.

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Post by AgentW on Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:44 pm

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Post by dohnage18 on Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:34 pm

Tis a wee bit scary. Actually, I'm shitting my pants.

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Post by The Prez on Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:29 am

Obama to bring this up in his State of the Union. Will be strange to see what the Supreme Court's facial expressions will be.
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Post by McSnuggles on Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:59 am

Hmm.. should be interesting.

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Re: Supreme Court Decision

Post by dohnage18 on Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:02 pm

The weird thing I feel about this is, why should they be limited? I know the problems that will be caused if they aren't, but think about it. What in the Constitution makes this illegal? I'm not looking for a fight, but I think that's just sound reason. Yeah, it might not be the best thing, but I guess there's a loophole then.

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Post by The Prez on Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:41 pm

As many of the Justices on the court have said. The people may not always agree with the decision, but their decisions are done on the basis of the Constitution. There is a legitimate argument to be made that the 10th and 1st Amendments all play a role in this. One can also look at the famous precedent Dartmouth v. Woodward. While I personally dislike the ruling's results as well as find legal problems with the 1st Amendment in parts, I feel it is simply wrong to argue that this is a horrible decision without first reading the opinions of the justices (which I took the time to do). http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/08-205.ZS.html

My position of the case remains. I still side with the Rehnquist Court which I think recognized the political implications more than the Roberts Court. I shall not; however, insult the ruling and recognize it as the current word of the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Post by McSnuggles on Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:27 pm

dohnage18 wrote:The weird thing I feel about this is, why should they be limited? I know the problems that will be caused if they aren't, but think about it. What in the Constitution makes this illegal? I'm not looking for a fight, but I think that's just sound reason. Yeah, it might not be the best thing, but I guess there's a loophole then.

Where in the constitution does it say that money laundering is illegal?

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Re: Supreme Court Decision

Post by dohnage18 on Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:52 pm

The constitution enables law which prevents money laundering.

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