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Post by The Prez on Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:36 pm

So I have finally decided my opinion on healthcare based on what President Obama stated last night. First off, I liked what I heard last night from the President, but one does wonder if it can all work out? Paying for this plan will be tough, and honestly, I did some calculations, and I am not sure where they are going to get the money for this if they don't want to increase the deficit.

The main part of the speech that I liked was that Obama has plans to transition the country and take on parts of McCain's plan to ease the process. Another main point I enjoyed was the statement that private insurance creates jobs. Over all I think the President suggested the right mix of private and public insurance.

As for the future beyond this I am not sure, but I maintain my opinion that the single payer option is both unfeasible and a waste of time to pursue if universal healthcare is achieved. The American people will not support such a plan. Americans don't want to have changes to their lifestyles, if everyone gets healthcare, and they get to keep their methods, then all the better.

So I personally hope that Obama's speech has put everyone in their places to create a strong and efficient healthcare plan.
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Post by dohnage18 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:00 pm

In reference to the last sentence of the second to last paragraph: is that what we all strive for?

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Re: Healthcare

Post by The Prez on Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:26 pm

Exactly
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Post by McSnuggles on Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:37 pm

I still say single payer is the way to go but he made a great speech yesterday and this will be better.

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Post by dohnage18 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:52 pm

I find it really odd that the liberal pundits bleat that the people at these meetings are organizing to shout down their congressmen. I wouldn't vote for that crap bill either!

I didn't see his speech last night nor did I hear much about it. Can I get some thoughts on it/get the general gist?

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Post by The Prez on Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:33 pm

Well essentially:
-If you have healthcare you keep it
-A Basic Healthcare Bill of Rights (No denial based on pre existing conditions, etc.)
-If you are between jobs or unemployed you can, if you cannot buy it on your own, receive healthcare from the government (Obama mentioned this amount at about 5% of America)
-Everyone must have healthcare (just like you need auto insurance)
-Paid entirely by cutting spending and without adding "a dime" to the deficit. Out of mild curiosity, could they still add a nickel or a penny?
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Post by dohnage18 on Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:33 pm

Ah, point four is where we disagree. Health care is not a moral obligation to me. It just isn't.

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Post by McSnuggles on Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:39 pm

And auto insurance is?

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Post by The Prez on Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:59 pm

Well Dohn has a point. Automobiles and Homes are things you buy. You don't buy life, and unlike homes and automobiles, you have to have your life always.
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Re: Healthcare

Post by AgentW on Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:39 pm

YOU LIE!
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Post by dohnage18 on Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:30 pm

Thank you Drew.

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Post by AgentW on Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:39 pm

oh, due to my outburst in this conversation, what do you think about Joe WIlson?
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Post by The Prez on Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:51 pm

Unprecedented and not appropriate
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Re: Healthcare

Post by J-Mads on Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:54 pm

President deserves respect regardless of his policies. Wilson should not have done what he did.
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Post by AgentW on Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:14 pm

do you think he should get punished?
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Post by J-Mads on Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:22 pm

Probably not by the Government. Hopefully the voters (and donors) punish him for it though.
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Post by The Prez on Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:22 pm

It has been in the House rules since the President of Jefferson that you do not call anyone a liar. So yes
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Post by AgentW on Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:36 pm

is it officially on the books?


and I saw on the web, a lot of conservatives are proud of him and are glad he said that
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Post by The Prez on Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:43 pm

Well I certainly am not, what a dumb thing to say. And yes, official house rules
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Post by McSnuggles on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:21 pm

Well some people think that the healthcare would be for illegals... even though it specifically says in the bill that it isn't. But not everyone reads the bill. They listen to Limbaugh and assume what he says is true.

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Re: Healthcare

Post by dohnage18 on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:43 pm

But really Luke, who reads the bill? No one has time for that.

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